Todd Conklin and Brent Sutton discuss the short-term future of safety thinking—covering the rise and fall of lean/TQM, how commodification can slow innovation, and why fear, FOMO and complacency shape which ideas stick. They explore leaders' responsibility, weak signals, and the need for small 'safe-to-fail' experiments to keep systems resilient.
Set in Santa Fe with lighthearted moments (including breakfast burritos and a cheese debate), the episode blends history, practical insight and a call to stay curious about evolving workplace complexity.
PAPod 574 - Margin for Safety: Lessons from 50 Years in the Cockpit
This episode explores human performance and aviation safety, contrasting airline
PAPod 573 - The Stability Trap: Why Safe Organizations Still Fail
Jay Allen interviews Todd Conklin about his new book, The Stability Trap, explor
PAPud 572 - The Stability Trap: Why Safety Success Can Lead to Failure
Host Todd introduces his new book, The Stability Trap, and shares a sneak peek e
PAPod 571 - Fail Fast, Learn Faster: A Conversation on Human Performance and Recovery
In this episode Todd Conklin joins Jowanza Joseph to explore modern safety think
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