PAPod 530 - Revisiting Safety on the Edge: Past Insights and Future Conversations

WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:04.177 Okay, everybody, here we go. We're off on the adventure. 00:00:04.457 --> 00:00:11.557 So today's podcast, I'm going to tell a pre-story before I actually do the story 00:00:11.557 --> 00:00:15.557 story, and then probably a post-story, because why wouldn't you do all three, right? 00:00:15.797 --> 00:00:21.377 So sit back and relax.

I think you're going to enjoy the journey into today's little story. 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:34.160 Music. 00:00:33.597 --> 00:00:37.217 Hey, everybody, Pre-Accident Investigation Podcast. It's Todd Conklin.

How are you? 00:00:37.717 --> 00:00:43.237 So today, we're going to go on an interesting journey because I've got an old 00:00:43.237 --> 00:00:48.657 friend who's actually not been on the pod in a while, Corey Pitzer. 00:00:48.917 --> 00:00:50.597 And if you don't know Corey, you should. 00:00:50.977 --> 00:00:54.037 I mean, I don't want to boss you around.

Don't let me tell you how to live. 00:00:54.197 --> 00:00:57.857 But he's someone you should know. But the interesting backstory on this is that 00:00:57.857 --> 00:01:01.437 Corey and I had a little row Is that the right way to say that? Row?

00:01:01.817 --> 00:01:06.317 I'm trying to use more international terms. We had a little. 00:01:07.957 --> 00:01:12.617 So Corey put on a very, I would call it. 00:01:12.937 --> 00:01:18.357 Well, what I'd call it is something to entice people on LinkedIn.

00:01:18.357 --> 00:01:20.477 But I don't really follow LinkedIn. 00:01:21.017 --> 00:01:25.537 So because I don't really follow it, I don't read all the stuff. 00:01:25.537 --> 00:01:36.437 But holy cow, Corey posted this thing, and it got tons of attention that was delivered to me. 00:01:37.637 --> 00:01:42.217 So Corey posted some – and I don't even really know what this – this is terrible.

00:01:42.397 --> 00:01:44.617 But I don't even really know what the statement said. 00:01:45.037 --> 00:01:50.757 But a bunch of people contacted me and said, hey, have you heard what's going on with Corey Pitzer? 00:01:50.757 --> 00:01:57.857 So I'm standing in line waiting to get into a Billy Strings show in Washington, 00:01:58.097 --> 00:02:02.237 D.C., in a pretty cool venue that I hadn't been to before, 00:02:02.997 --> 00:02:06.077 kind of down by where the fish market used to be. 00:02:06.317 --> 00:02:10.057 I don't know what that's called.

I should have done more research before I started 00:02:10.057 --> 00:02:11.137 talking about this, probably. 00:02:11.137 --> 00:02:18.517 But nonetheless, Corey and I had the most interesting text discussion while 00:02:18.517 --> 00:02:22.897 standing in line for a Billy Strings show about new safety. 00:02:23.157 --> 00:02:29.437 And the bottom line is, is that Corey said we have to make room in our dialogue 00:02:29.437 --> 00:02:33.697 for varied opinions, which is true. He's exactly right.

00:02:33.857 --> 00:02:37.657 I mean, in retrospect, not standing in line for a Billy Strings concert. 00:02:37.657 --> 00:02:41.677 I understand exactly where he's going because what he said is, 00:02:41.837 --> 00:02:49.457 you know, if you're not open to listening to everybody, then you tend to fall for the old trap. 00:02:50.505 --> 00:02:53.925 Only listening to the echo chamber in which you're in. 00:02:54.465 --> 00:02:58.585 And that discussion, and by the way, I should have started this earlier.

00:02:58.845 --> 00:03:03.905 It ended fine. I mean, there was no tears, nobody cried, no anger, 00:03:04.125 --> 00:03:06.705 and nobody missed a concert for Billy Strings. 00:03:06.805 --> 00:03:10.445 I will tell you that it was an interesting concert because the venue was packed. 00:03:10.605 --> 00:03:15.265 I mean, there were probably 10,000 people in there and not one chair in sight.

00:03:15.785 --> 00:03:19.345 And if you know me well, if you spend any time with me, you know 00:03:19.345 --> 00:03:22.765 that i'm constantly looking for chairs that's that's 00:03:22.765 --> 00:03:25.865 what i look for in fact if you ask me to define going 00:03:25.865 --> 00:03:32.245 shopping going shopping to me is looking for interesting places to sit that 00:03:32.245 --> 00:03:36.565 that's that's really what it's about and and so this concert you stood the entire 00:03:36.565 --> 00:03:40.885 show which was fine i made it no problem and it was really fun but a chair would 00:03:40.885 --> 00:03:44.845 have been nice but nonetheless This ended fine, 00:03:44.925 --> 00:03:51.885 but it really made me start to think, and clearly it really made Corey start 00:03:51.885 --> 00:03:59.425 to think, because what came out of it again is another Safety on the Edge meeting. 00:03:59.585 --> 00:04:02.845 Now, if you don't know the back history on Safety on the Edge. 00:04:03.405 --> 00:04:10.005 Gosh, it would have been 10, 15 years ago. we did a series of meetings that 00:04:10.005 --> 00:04:11.685 Corey entitled Safety on the Edge.

00:04:11.805 --> 00:04:17.545 And it was when we were first introducing some of these new ideas into industries 00:04:17.545 --> 00:04:19.305 really around the globe. 00:04:19.425 --> 00:04:22.505 And it was a pretty interesting group of folks. 00:04:23.025 --> 00:04:29.785 It was Sidney Decker and myself and Corey and Adam Johns who wrote. 00:04:30.629 --> 00:04:36.929 A remarkable book on risk.

And we had these meetings where they brought in a 00:04:36.929 --> 00:04:40.989 bunch of industry people, and we talked about how safety could look different 00:04:40.989 --> 00:04:42.429 for their organization. 00:04:42.909 --> 00:04:47.109 And it was really a lot of fun. It was a great journey. We had tons of fun.

00:04:47.529 --> 00:04:50.629 And that happened 15 years ago. 00:04:50.769 --> 00:04:54.969 I hadn't thought about that in a long time. Well, I really hadn't thought about 00:04:54.969 --> 00:05:02.089 this at all until this little discussion slash aggressive texting slash argument 00:05:02.089 --> 00:05:04.329 happened in line for Billy Strings. 00:05:04.829 --> 00:05:10.889 And I'm glad it happened because what came out of it, I think really was this 00:05:10.889 --> 00:05:15.929 encouragement for Corey to do this again, to make a space for an open discussion.

00:05:16.189 --> 00:05:20.969 And that is, in fact, what's going to happen today in the podcast. 00:05:20.969 --> 00:05:27.169 So Corey and I got together because he said, you know, maybe we should do a podcast on this. 00:05:27.269 --> 00:05:30.009 And I'm always looking for stuff to put on the podcast. 00:05:30.229 --> 00:05:36.709 And Corey's got an interesting voice.

It's always fun to hear a South African, an Afrikaans accent. 00:05:36.969 --> 00:05:40.749 It's just exciting. So we put together this little discussion, 00:05:40.749 --> 00:05:43.509 and that's exactly what you're about to hear. 00:05:43.509 --> 00:05:47.309 You're going to hear about a meeting that's going to be held in Berkeley, 00:05:47.589 --> 00:05:54.969 California, with an incredibly interesting group of folks to talk about what's 00:05:54.969 --> 00:05:57.949 happened really over the last 15 years or so.

00:05:58.189 --> 00:06:03.029 And that discussion should be a really interesting one. So sit back and listen. 00:06:03.229 --> 00:06:09.069 I think you're going to enjoy this discussion between Corey Pitzer and myself on Safety on the Edge 2. 00:06:12.729 --> 00:06:19.089 You're doing safety on the edge again i'm so impressed with you because well 00:06:19.089 --> 00:06:24.709 these are a lot of this is a lot of work cory i mean it's it's the coordination 00:06:24.709 --> 00:06:28.989 alone is crazy how come you're doing it again what what what moved you, 00:06:29.738 --> 00:06:34.878 Well, I think the first one moved me.

The first one was incredible fun with 00:06:34.878 --> 00:06:38.078 you and Decker and Professor Adams. 00:06:38.338 --> 00:06:42.918 And it was just, I mean, we had such a great time in Australia at the time. 00:06:43.518 --> 00:06:49.258 And it was really fun. I must admit that was a great experience all the way around.

00:06:50.018 --> 00:06:55.978 Yeah. And also what was fun for me then was it was bringing a new concept. 00:06:55.978 --> 00:07:00.138 You know, it was pushing safety to the edge on that occasion. 00:07:01.038 --> 00:07:05.438 And it was just, to me, so gratifying.

00:07:05.958 --> 00:07:12.878 And it always stayed with me. And so about a year ago, I had just a friendly 00:07:12.878 --> 00:07:18.358 chat with one of my colleagues, Malcolm Staves of L'Oreal. 00:07:18.358 --> 00:07:21.058 Hell and and and malcolm was 00:07:21.058 --> 00:07:24.038 also you know likes to push the envelope and 00:07:24.038 --> 00:07:27.178 think outside about and push things to the 00:07:27.178 --> 00:07:30.978 edge and he said well why don't we do a workshop you know the kind of workshop 00:07:30.978 --> 00:07:36.538 that you and i did after safety on the edge like just 20 30 people yeah yeah 00:07:36.538 --> 00:07:42.218 yeah we started with our idea let's do a workshop and and it just started to 00:07:42.218 --> 00:07:44.298 escalate a bit bigger a bit bigger a little bit bigger. 00:07:44.598 --> 00:07:50.838 And at one point, we said, let's do a proper safety on the edge, 00:07:51.118 --> 00:07:59.798 a real focus on and with bringing different speakers in and really move forward in this envelope.

00:07:59.978 --> 00:08:08.018 And I just got caught into it and started to consume me so much that I had very 00:08:08.018 --> 00:08:09.638 little option but to just run with it. 00:08:10.383 --> 00:08:14.003 When were we in Australia? I was trying to put a date on that. 00:08:14.123 --> 00:08:17.963 The first one would have been 10 years ago?

2013. 00:08:18.903 --> 00:08:23.183 Yeah, so 11 years ago. It's 11 years ago. We were just babies.

00:08:23.803 --> 00:08:25.803 We were babies, man. We were. 00:08:27.863 --> 00:08:31.563 I had even a slight bit of a head at that stage if I don't recall. 00:08:33.963 --> 00:08:41.903 So what do you think has changed?

I mean, it's interesting to me because in 00:08:41.903 --> 00:08:47.523 many ways, we're still sort of talking about the last topic of safety on the edge. 00:08:48.103 --> 00:08:54.003 What do you think this next topic is going to talk about? What's changing? What's different?

00:08:54.503 --> 00:09:00.003 Well, I don't know if we want to bring a new topic. 00:09:00.283 --> 00:09:03.723 You know, it's consolidation. foundation and and 00:09:03.723 --> 00:09:06.563 and because you know the whole new view 00:09:06.563 --> 00:09:14.603 of safety is so so well established as uh as a in a unique place uh if i could 00:09:14.603 --> 00:09:20.383 you know to me it was almost as if 11 years ago the mainstream of safety was 00:09:20.383 --> 00:09:25.663 not was not new view was not hot it was all the other stuff right you're Right. You're exactly right.

00:09:25.963 --> 00:09:33.183 And now we have that focus established well and truly on its own legs, 00:09:33.343 --> 00:09:36.783 as a discipline almost. I'm not sure that's the right word. 00:09:36.983 --> 00:09:40.183 But, you know, we've got risk management, we've got systems engineering, 00:09:40.183 --> 00:09:44.183 we've got all these other legs on which safety is standing. 00:09:44.523 --> 00:09:48.123 And now properly, NewView is standing on one of those legs.

00:09:49.003 --> 00:09:54.543 And we thought, well, safety on the edge is almost now also a, 00:09:54.703 --> 00:09:56.563 how do we consolidate? How do we align? 00:09:56.703 --> 00:10:02.023 How do we bring things to the same focus or to a focus in the ultimate, 00:10:02.243 --> 00:10:06.283 for me, the ultimate focus is how do we prevent people being killed at workplaces? 00:10:06.903 --> 00:10:11.423 And there's different answers to that question.

And I think that's what safety 00:10:11.423 --> 00:10:16.023 on the edge would like to achieve, is bringing those different answers together. 00:10:16.443 --> 00:10:21.803 So, and I think you're exactly right. It's that the ideas that we were talking 00:10:21.803 --> 00:10:29.483 about 11 years ago are simply maturing into more applied uses of them. 00:10:29.643 --> 00:10:33.363 So 11 years ago, it was a lot of, this is a pretty good idea.

00:10:33.543 --> 00:10:35.083 There's some pretty good theory on it. 00:10:35.383 --> 00:10:40.063 There's not a ton of scholarship, but we're trying some stuff. 00:10:40.223 --> 00:10:44.463 Well, now people have been trying it for 11 years and things are happening and 00:10:44.463 --> 00:10:46.123 they're excited about it. 00:10:46.343 --> 00:10:50.683 And I think you're right.

It probably is kind of a discipline It's a way to 00:10:50.683 --> 00:10:56.843 think It's not really its own science Because it's not going to be a science Safety is not a science. 00:10:57.543 --> 00:11:02.363 It's really a It's a form of people learning collectively Together, 00:11:02.963 --> 00:11:07.683 And that's what I think Safety on the Edge does Is it allows for the conversation 00:11:07.683 --> 00:11:16.363 Of the co-creation Not to sound too freaky But co-creation of these new ideas The scholars And the, 00:11:16.991 --> 00:11:22.711 The suppliers and the practitioners and the workers all come together and say, 00:11:22.791 --> 00:11:23.911 this is what we're learning. 00:11:24.711 --> 00:11:31.631 Yeah, absolutely. You know, and I think this whole model, 00:11:31.951 --> 00:11:38.431 if it is a model, as you say, people are discovering how to put it into practice, 00:11:38.651 --> 00:11:42.311 how to put systems around it, how to put practices around it, 00:11:42.451 --> 00:11:47.331 and how to affect behaviors at all levels of the organization, 00:11:47.331 --> 00:11:50.591 and how to bring all of that together in a practical way.

00:11:52.371 --> 00:11:55.691 And absolutely right. We didn't have that 11 years ago. 00:11:56.451 --> 00:11:59.751 Now people are bringing together the practice of it. 00:11:59.831 --> 00:12:05.651 And we want to showcase those practices, those approaches that people have turned 00:12:05.651 --> 00:12:09.891 into systems, if you could call it that, on this whole.

00:12:10.291 --> 00:12:15.931 And one thing we want to do with Safety on the Edge is it's not going to be this one-off. 00:12:16.391 --> 00:12:24.271 We've now established ourselves as we're going to do this annually and we may 00:12:24.271 --> 00:12:25.851 do it in different locations. 00:12:25.851 --> 00:12:31.411 We may, every third year or so, we run it in Europe and something like that. 00:12:32.611 --> 00:12:39.651 But also, in between, we would like to have virtual equivalents of safety on the edge.

00:12:39.911 --> 00:12:45.111 So we're going to have two or three virtual programs running between the next 00:12:45.111 --> 00:12:47.631 one in March, which will be again next March. 00:12:48.031 --> 00:12:51.531 And then, again, we can bring in different players, different concepts, 00:12:51.691 --> 00:12:58.811 different thinkers. And those ones, I think, more down to the practitioner level. 00:12:59.651 --> 00:13:04.751 And then at this in-person ones, we lift it up again to let's think conceptually, 00:13:04.851 --> 00:13:06.011 let's challenge ourselves.

00:13:06.271 --> 00:13:09.871 Because I think one of the things that we probably…. 00:13:11.041 --> 00:13:20.281 Should do, my view in safety is, and I think true of true leaders in a field, 00:13:20.501 --> 00:13:23.261 is they actually challenge themselves. 00:13:23.721 --> 00:13:28.061 They challenge their own thinking all the time. They doubt their own thinking all the time.

00:13:28.201 --> 00:13:34.201 So this is where I think we can bring that forum together where leading pioneers 00:13:34.201 --> 00:13:37.941 can come with new ideas and challenge old ideas. 00:13:38.121 --> 00:13:42.381 And that healthy sense of skepticism Did I say that right? Yeah, that sounded right. 00:13:42.601 --> 00:13:46.081 That sort of healthy sense of questioning what's going on.

00:13:46.341 --> 00:13:48.661 That's what keeps things moving forward. 00:13:48.981 --> 00:13:52.321 What do you have lined out for this one? It's going to be in Berkeley, right? 00:13:53.121 --> 00:13:56.901 Yes, it's West Coast.

Yep, yep, it's going to be West Coast. 00:13:57.321 --> 00:14:03.741 So, yeah, so it is going to happen on the 26th and 27th of March. 00:14:04.681 --> 00:14:11.241 And the week after that, the 1st and 2nd of April, we have an extension, 00:14:11.501 --> 00:14:12.881 a virtual extension of it. 00:14:13.401 --> 00:14:19.541 And so on this 26th, we're going to be at the Berkeley campus, 00:14:19.541 --> 00:14:23.281 at the Wheeler Hall, Wheeler Oratorium.

00:14:23.861 --> 00:14:34.081 And the second day, we're going to be in that spa resort, the Fairmont resort close by. 00:14:34.301 --> 00:14:38.621 And the second day, we'll be doing it there. We will have breakout streams, 00:14:38.881 --> 00:14:40.021 you know, concurrent sessions. 00:14:40.261 --> 00:14:45.181 On day one is all the plenary speakers, you know, like yourself.

00:14:45.761 --> 00:14:48.981 And it'll be just plenaries on day one. 00:14:49.741 --> 00:14:54.701 That sounds super interesting. What do you think the topics are going to cover this year? 00:14:54.841 --> 00:14:58.161 What's interesting to you, maybe, is a good place to start that question.

00:14:58.841 --> 00:15:05.921 Yeah, so the topics are going to be actually, you know, complementary, as we just talked. 00:15:06.081 --> 00:15:12.121 So on day one, let's cover day one with the kind of speakers we have. 00:15:12.281 --> 00:15:13.441 You bet. Yeah, a good idea.

00:15:13.901 --> 00:15:18.561 Yeah. So on day one, it's a real mix of speakers. Yeah. 00:15:18.936 --> 00:15:23.236 We're going to have people from industry associations, and I'll call them in a moment.

00:15:23.516 --> 00:15:27.516 But we're going to start off with yourself and John Howard. 00:15:28.296 --> 00:15:33.616 So two leading speakers, one industry association, John Howard with NIOSH. 00:15:34.256 --> 00:15:35.896 You as a conceptual pioneer. 00:15:36.676 --> 00:15:42.096 Then the other speakers will include Lorraine Martin of NSC president.

00:15:42.096 --> 00:15:45.116 We have we're going to have a panel 00:15:45.116 --> 00:15:48.056 on day one which is going to be a panel 00:15:48.056 --> 00:15:51.096 on mental and well-being which is a very topical issue yeah 00:15:51.096 --> 00:15:54.576 really important issue yeah with Pam Woloski 00:15:54.576 --> 00:15:59.236 of ASSP DR from from 00:15:59.236 --> 00:16:03.036 IOSH and Liz Horvath from the 00:16:03.036 --> 00:16:06.136 Canadian Institute of Mental Health and well-being 00:16:06.136 --> 00:16:08.856 and so that's that's going to be like the 00:16:08.856 --> 00:16:11.916 morning mix we also have kim green you you 00:16:11.916 --> 00:16:15.016 know kim green CEO of georgia power 00:16:15.016 --> 00:16:22.316 the the very halls the very halls of power that you and i walked into one day 00:16:22.316 --> 00:16:28.596 remember that i do you remember that office the office with the office with 00:16:28.596 --> 00:16:34.796 a staircase in it a private staircase it was pretty cool very very exclusive yeah yeah. 00:16:35.596 --> 00:16:40.216 And Kim Green has been an amazing supporter, 00:16:40.556 --> 00:16:46.596 leader of safety, with her chairpersonship of the Edison Electric Institute, 00:16:46.836 --> 00:16:52.156 and has always been extremely impressive with the focus on safety and how to 00:16:52.156 --> 00:16:55.016 integrate that into her world. 00:16:55.216 --> 00:16:57.736 So she's a very honored speaker as well. 00:16:58.116 --> 00:17:05.036 And then Kathy Sutcliffe, you know her very well.

Yeah, Kathleen, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:17:05.296 --> 00:17:11.136 Obviously famous for co-authoring Managing the Unexpected with Carl Wick. 00:17:11.336 --> 00:17:15.796 So there's academia, there's industry people, there's associations, 00:17:16.316 --> 00:17:17.616 there's governance people.

00:17:17.756 --> 00:17:19.716 There's going to be James Frederick from OSHA. 00:17:20.791 --> 00:17:25.871 And then the safety professionals, we have Andresa Hernandez of Siemens, 00:17:26.231 --> 00:17:29.791 global leader in safety for Siemens. 00:17:30.491 --> 00:17:36.691 And Karol Kray is also obviously very much in the operational risk field academic 00:17:36.691 --> 00:17:37.971 from Nottingham University. 00:17:38.331 --> 00:17:44.431 So with that, you know, we've got local and global people coming just on day one already.

00:17:44.431 --> 00:17:53.411 So that actually sets the scene basically for the next day. 00:17:53.891 --> 00:17:57.511 So next day we'll have four concurrent sessions. 00:17:58.411 --> 00:18:05.771 The one concurrent session will be including, it's a bit like a mix of topics, 00:18:06.111 --> 00:18:09.611 different topics on day two in stream one. 00:18:10.171 --> 00:18:14.551 And there we have people from international level, Manal Azi from ILO.

00:18:15.071 --> 00:18:20.711 We have Rodney Rocha. I don't know if you know Rodney Rocha. No, I don't think so. 00:18:21.031 --> 00:18:26.391 Rodney was instrumental way back with the Columbia disaster.

00:18:27.751 --> 00:18:34.131 And it was his team. He was an aerospace engineer. It was his team that questioned 00:18:34.131 --> 00:18:37.911 the striking of that wing with a phone. 00:18:38.671 --> 00:18:47.691 And it was his insistence and drive that got me, the striking of the wing actually 00:18:47.691 --> 00:18:52.811 looked at in more depth by NASA at the time, which it didn't help in the end.

00:18:52.911 --> 00:18:59.511 But he's going to talk about how do you break through the silos in your organization, 00:18:59.651 --> 00:19:07.071 the resistance in your organization to report up, to speak out and have the courage to speak up. 00:19:07.071 --> 00:19:10.371 And that's what he did at the time. 00:19:10.531 --> 00:19:17.011 So from a heartfelt perspective, he's going to, I think, bring a lot of value to the conference. 00:19:17.791 --> 00:19:22.171 Oh, yes, I do remember.

Yeah. Oh, this is great. Yeah. 00:19:23.111 --> 00:19:28.111 And we have Tom Krauss.

We're going to have a fireside chat with Tom Krauss. 00:19:28.251 --> 00:19:31.711 Obviously, he's made significant contributions over the years. 00:19:33.131 --> 00:19:37.711 And there's going to be a panel on the future fit. 00:19:37.931 --> 00:19:45.971 How do we future fit our safety professionals for changes that's approaching in the world?

00:19:46.991 --> 00:19:52.631 So that's just the stream. Stream two will be very much on safety technology, 00:19:53.311 --> 00:19:58.611 process engineering, the harder part of safety, if I could call it that. 00:19:58.611 --> 00:20:07.331 It's the more systems, reporting systems, next generation technology, AI, all of those focus. 00:20:08.323 --> 00:20:13.203 And then Stream 3 is going to be very much human performance, 00:20:13.763 --> 00:20:17.523 organizational performance, leadership, culture, people.

00:20:17.823 --> 00:20:22.563 And we have a range of speakers there. You know most of them. 00:20:22.763 --> 00:20:26.083 We have Kathy Seabrook. We have Lisa Brooks, you know very well.

00:20:27.163 --> 00:20:29.983 Lori Shelby, obviously you know well from Tesla. 00:20:31.143 --> 00:20:37.243 And Carol Smets from what's that drinks company, Pennart. 00:20:38.083 --> 00:20:42.743 I've got the name of it now. And so there's several speakers in that field.

00:20:42.883 --> 00:20:47.523 James Jean-Christophe LeCos is going to be on a panel. 00:20:47.903 --> 00:20:51.723 And then Stream 4 is going to be High Reliability, Organizing, 00:20:51.883 --> 00:20:53.723 Future of Safety, Resilience Engineering. 00:20:54.183 --> 00:20:58.783 And there we'll have Ron Gant. You know Ron Gant?

Yes, the world-famous Ron 00:20:58.783 --> 00:21:00.423 Gant. We love him. Yeah, yeah. 00:21:00.803 --> 00:21:02.943 Tony Mishara.

Oh, great. 00:21:03.603 --> 00:21:06.723 Paul Leonard. Paul Schumann, academic. 00:21:07.483 --> 00:21:14.163 And yeah, and so that's the range of, so there's four streams and with a total 00:21:14.163 --> 00:21:17.943 of 72 speakers on the two day.

Wow! 00:21:19.363 --> 00:21:23.183 And top level. There's a lot of speakers that are actually probably going to 00:21:23.183 --> 00:21:27.483 be disappointed that we didn't accept them because this is not about bringing 00:21:27.483 --> 00:21:32.543 the popular speakers in with lots of LinkedIn followers and things like that. 00:21:32.543 --> 00:21:37.203 It is to bring the right balance to the audience, the right focus, 00:21:37.403 --> 00:21:39.063 people that can speak about different topics.

00:21:39.383 --> 00:21:43.143 So some people missed out will be featured in the virtual side, 00:21:43.303 --> 00:21:47.243 but this is our balance. This is what we want to achieve with this. 00:21:47.483 --> 00:21:52.563 Wow, what a tremendous amount of work you've done. This sounds pretty exciting, I think.

Yeah. 00:21:54.043 --> 00:21:56.923 I haven't had a chance to manage my company safe much. 00:22:00.103 --> 00:22:05.563 But I do have some backup there. So, yeah, we still continue with that.

00:22:05.683 --> 00:22:10.623 But this has been very time consuming. But it's a work of joy, 00:22:10.863 --> 00:22:13.523 you know, in all terms. Really a work of joy. 00:22:13.683 --> 00:22:16.623 The hardest thing, I think, is going to be deciding on that second day what 00:22:16.623 --> 00:22:17.863 stream you want to be a part of.

00:22:18.843 --> 00:22:22.583 Yeah. Yeah, that is. So we're leaving some space where people can move about 00:22:22.583 --> 00:22:25.403 between sessions. Nice.

Yeah. 00:22:26.263 --> 00:22:30.963 But we're also going to, the other thing we did decide on earlier on, 00:22:31.063 --> 00:22:34.383 it's not going to be consultant-driven conference. 00:22:34.523 --> 00:22:37.343 You know, most conferences are consultant speaking. 00:22:37.563 --> 00:22:41.883 Yeah, I agree.

And while there is value and that has a place in everything, 00:22:42.383 --> 00:22:45.063 we limit the number of consultants. 00:22:45.643 --> 00:22:50.983 We also insist that the consultants are not going to promote their companies, 00:22:51.163 --> 00:22:52.023 their books or whatever. 00:22:52.163 --> 00:22:54.323 It's all going to be conceptual discussions. 00:22:55.403 --> 00:23:01.463 And the other side of it is that we're going to ensure that there's, 00:23:02.247 --> 00:23:05.187 some some some discussions happening it's not 00:23:05.187 --> 00:23:08.647 just people speaking and go and gone so for 00:23:08.647 --> 00:23:12.267 instance at the end of day two the last 00:23:12.267 --> 00:23:15.447 session is going to be a speaker panel 00:23:15.447 --> 00:23:19.987 so all the speakers of the day in that stream is going to come together on stage 00:23:19.987 --> 00:23:25.367 and we're going to have you know obviously roaming microphones and so we're 00:23:25.367 --> 00:23:29.687 going to then have people ask their questions to speakers then and challenge 00:23:29.687 --> 00:23:33.067 speakers in terms of what they've said and have, you know, 00:23:33.667 --> 00:23:36.087 interaction, conceptual interaction about things.

00:23:36.327 --> 00:23:40.227 And it's going to be a good solid hour. The last session is going to be close 00:23:40.227 --> 00:23:48.467 to an hour of this kind of interchange and not just one-sided talking and people listen to speakers. 00:23:48.467 --> 00:23:52.187 You know, we want to really bring a different angle to it. 00:23:52.667 --> 00:23:55.807 It sounds really thoughtful.

I'm quite impressed. 00:23:57.307 --> 00:24:04.427 This will be one to absolutely go to and it's in Berkeley yeah who wouldn't 00:24:04.427 --> 00:24:07.967 want to have a bit of a time out afterwards to the Napa Valley. 00:24:09.787 --> 00:24:15.407 Yeah or just get a burrito made of wheat germ and sand, 00:24:16.327 --> 00:24:21.927 some kind of organic burrito with wheat germ and sand that'll be interesting 00:24:21.927 --> 00:24:25.087 that's cool so where do they go to sign up, 00:24:26.267 --> 00:24:31.767 Our conference web is called safetyontheedge, one word. Gotcha.

00:24:33.247 --> 00:24:39.387 Safetyontheedge.com. Got it. Safetyontheedge.com. And then they can register.

00:24:39.567 --> 00:24:41.187 There is a different level. 00:24:41.427 --> 00:24:46.687 They can register for the in-person and the two days at Berkeley, 00:24:46.747 --> 00:24:51.267 or they can register for the and or for the virtual, which happens a week later. 00:24:52.087 --> 00:24:57.407 Sounds perfect. But there's also something else that we're doing, 00:24:57.847 --> 00:25:03.147 Todd, and this is Award for Excellence.

Oh, yeah. 00:25:03.567 --> 00:25:06.807 And so we have two awards for excellence. 00:25:07.127 --> 00:25:13.547 One is Lifetime Awards, and we've selected, and this year we decided to focus 00:25:13.547 --> 00:25:19.787 on four academics, people who pioneered safety in the world of safety, 00:25:19.927 --> 00:25:21.847 different perspectives, different disciplines. 00:25:21.847 --> 00:25:30.687 And we have been fortunate enough to reach James Reason, and he will be a recipient of the award.

00:25:31.127 --> 00:25:34.267 He's not able to travel to Berkeley 00:25:34.267 --> 00:25:39.787 himself, and so Karl McRae will be receiving the award on his behalf. 00:25:40.588 --> 00:25:45.708 And the other recipients is Professor David Woods, who obviously you know very 00:25:45.708 --> 00:25:48.188 well too. He's going to attend. 00:25:49.028 --> 00:25:52.328 Carleen Roberts, Professor Carleen Roberts, she's going to attend.

00:25:52.548 --> 00:25:56.148 Excellent. And then Professor Diane Vaughan. Excellent. 00:25:56.848 --> 00:26:00.568 Unfortunately, she can't attend for a very good reason.

It's her birthday, 00:26:00.608 --> 00:26:04.348 and her family is gathering on the East Coast to attend her birthday. 00:26:04.468 --> 00:26:06.708 Fair enough. That's fair enough. Fair enough.

00:26:07.388 --> 00:26:12.868 And yes, we'll have the office of the chancellor of the University of Berkeley 00:26:12.868 --> 00:26:15.868 handing over the awards on the night. 00:26:16.028 --> 00:26:19.188 So there's a gala night, the middle, on the 26th. 00:26:19.908 --> 00:26:25.668 And the other thing that's going to happen there is we've actually also promoted 00:26:25.668 --> 00:26:31.908 companies to participate in an award process, an award assessment process. 00:26:32.528 --> 00:26:36.368 So there's 40 companies that have signed up for this around the world.

00:26:36.708 --> 00:26:42.088 And what they're going to do is they're going to complete a self-assessment criteria. 00:26:42.288 --> 00:26:46.988 There's 36 criteria that we ask them to self-assess themselves on. 00:26:48.288 --> 00:26:52.128 And this is arranged in leadership, safety and health management, 00:26:52.488 --> 00:26:56.928 category three is human and organizational performance, information and analysis 00:26:56.928 --> 00:26:59.908 management, how do they manage risks, and performance management. 00:27:00.668 --> 00:27:05.548 And those would be the categories in which they self-assess them and score themselves.

00:27:05.968 --> 00:27:10.168 And then we're going to select them with a team who's the best. 00:27:10.568 --> 00:27:15.848 And then we're going to do external verification of those top finalists. 00:27:16.408 --> 00:27:20.748 And then the finalists of the finalists are going to be invited to the conference 00:27:20.748 --> 00:27:25.028 on day one to present why they think they should win the award. 00:27:25.388 --> 00:27:27.168 That is the last session of day one.

00:27:27.728 --> 00:27:34.868 And the audience is going to vote who is going to be the winner of the SOTI Award of Excellence. 00:27:35.148 --> 00:27:39.388 And that'll be handed over that night as well. And the award will be given by Simon Cowell. 00:27:40.743 --> 00:27:45.743 And the award will be presented by Simon Cowell.

Simon Cowell. 00:27:46.623 --> 00:27:49.423 Yes. Yes. I mean, it's going to be a buzzer.

That's right. 00:27:49.963 --> 00:27:53.263 For a moment there, I thought, I don't think Corey watches that show. 00:27:53.403 --> 00:27:57.123 But then you ca