Jay Allen interviews Todd Conklin about his new book, The Stability Trap, exploring why even safe, stable organizations can fail. They discuss the "drive to zero," complacency, pressures on middle management, wearables and data, and lessons from aviation and the pandemic.
The episode also covers how AI was used to reorganize the book’s ideas and help craft its ending, and offers practical reframes: treat safety as a capacity, see workers as system monitors, and retool systems to match capacity with risk. The book is available now.
PAPod 574 - Margin for Safety: Lessons from 50 Years in the Cockpit
This episode explores human performance and aviation safety, contrasting airline
PAPud 572 - The Stability Trap: Why Safety Success Can Lead to Failure
Host Todd introduces his new book, The Stability Trap, and shares a sneak peek e
PAPod 571 - Fail Fast, Learn Faster: A Conversation on Human Performance and Recovery
In this episode Todd Conklin joins Jowanza Joseph to explore modern safety think
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